Wednesday, October 07, 2009

A Pre-reply to the Discussion in the PB

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Originally Posted by austinww 

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Originally Posted by Julio Martinez Jr 

What are the grounds of leaving a church anyway? I know that as a Presbyterian I have such a high caution of people leaving a church. I remember reading Calvin's Institutes (book 4). He has such a high view the church, and a very cautious attitude about leaving a church. He even states that leaving a church should be well deliberative. So I would ask what then are those conditions, and where are those conditions found in the Bible?

True, but I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have been caught dead in a denomination that has degenerated to this level.

They should leave and either start a new denomination, or join the LCMS or the Association of Free Lutheran Churches or whatever else there is that's not like ELCA. 

My question, however, is more specific. What are those conditions? I get that Calvin wouldn't "find himself dead" in a church that has degenerated to this level. I would like to know what are those conditions then? Obviously sexual orientation shouldn't be the rule. What then is "the rule?"

-----Added 10/7/2009 at 07:15:14 EST-----

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Originally Posted by Edward 

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Originally Posted by Julio Martinez Jr 

What are the grounds of leaving a church anyway? I know that as a Presbyterian I have such a high caution of people leaving a church. I remember reading Calvin's Institutes (book 4). He has such a high view the church, and a very cautious attitude about leaving a church. He even states that leaving a church should be well deliberative. So I would ask what then are those conditions, and where are those conditions found in the Bible?

Have you read the statement of the founders of your denomination? 

PCA Historical Center - Documents: Message to All Churches (7 December 1973)

Yes I have. But my question is for the opinion of those engaged in this forum.

[I read the letter and I think the PCA's reasons for leaving the PCUS were well founded.]

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